
{"id":5425,"date":"2008-07-19T07:30:10","date_gmt":"2008-07-19T05:30:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.comicbox.com\/?p=5425"},"modified":"2010-08-28T23:38:28","modified_gmt":"2010-08-28T21:38:28","slug":"oldies-but-goodies-batman-167-nov-1964","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.comicbox.com\/index.php\/articles\/oldies-but-goodies-batman-167-nov-1964\/","title":{"rendered":"Oldies But Goodies: Batman #167 (Nov. 1964)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.comicbox.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/07\/batmanhydrab.jpg\"><\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/www.comicbox.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/07\/batmanhydrac.jpg\"><\/a><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"5426\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/www.comicbox.com\/index.php\/articles\/oldies-but-goodies-batman-167-nov-1964\/attachment\/batmanhydraa\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.comicbox.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/07\/batmanhydraa.jpg?fit=100%2C100\" data-orig-size=\"100,100\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"batmanhydraa\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.comicbox.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/07\/batmanhydraa.jpg?fit=100%2C100\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-5426\" style=\"float: right; margin-left: 4px; margin-right: 4px; border: black 1px solid;\" title=\"batmanhydraa\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.comicbox.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/07\/batmanhydraa.jpg?resize=100%2C100\" alt=\"\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" \/>[FRENCH] <strong>L&rsquo;organisation criminelle internationale Hydra vient d&rsquo;abattre un agent d&rsquo;Interpol. Mais oui voyons, Hydra, le groupuscule que personne ne peut arr\u00eater car, comme dans la mythologie grecque, quand on lui coupe une t\u00eate, il en repousse une autre&#8230; Heureusement que Batman est l\u00e0 ! Heu&#8230; Batman ? Mais attendez,\u00a0Hydra est une cr\u00e9ation Marvel, non ?<!--more--><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Novembre 1964. Batman et Robin attendent un myst\u00e9rieux informateur \u00e0 l&rsquo;a\u00e9roport de Gotham. Manque de chance pour eux, l&rsquo;homme est abattu d\u00e8s son arriv\u00e9e. Quelques instants plus tard, le Commissaire Gordon informe la presse que la victime &#8211; qui faisait partie d&rsquo;Interpol &#8211; a sans doute \u00e9t\u00e9 assassin\u00e9e par les forces d&rsquo;Hydra. \u00ab\u00a0Hydra ?\u00a0\u00bb s&rsquo;\u00e9tonnent les reporters ? Oui, il s&rsquo;agit bien du cartel international que personne ne peut arr\u00eater car, comme dans les l\u00e9gendaires travaux d&rsquo;Hercule, \u00ab\u00a0\u00e0 chaque fois qu&rsquo;on d\u00e9capite Hydra une autre t\u00eate lui pousse\u00a0\u00bb. En \u00e9coutant l&rsquo;expos\u00e9, Batman d\u00e9cide de devenir un homologue moderne d&rsquo;Hercule: puisqu&rsquo;il le faut, il traversera le monde pour d\u00e9truire Hydra. Il n&rsquo;avait visiblement jamais entendu parler d&rsquo;Hydra auparavant car le terrain d&rsquo;action de l&rsquo;organisation est plut\u00f4t l&rsquo;Europe. Alors c&rsquo;est l\u00e0-bas qu&rsquo;il va se rendre&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"5427\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/www.comicbox.com\/index.php\/articles\/oldies-but-goodies-batman-167-nov-1964\/attachment\/batmanhydrab\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.comicbox.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/07\/batmanhydrab.jpg?fit=200%2C296\" data-orig-size=\"200,296\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"batmanhydrab\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.comicbox.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/07\/batmanhydrab.jpg?fit=200%2C296\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-5427\" style=\"float: left; margin-left: 4px; margin-right: 4px; border: black 1px solid;\" title=\"batmanhydrab\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.comicbox.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/07\/batmanhydrab.jpg?resize=200%2C296\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"296\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.comicbox.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/07\/batmanhydrab.jpg?w=200 200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.comicbox.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/07\/batmanhydrab.jpg?resize=101%2C150 101w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/>Mais en fait, apr\u00e8s avoir arr\u00eat\u00e9 la branche hollandaise d&rsquo;Hydra, Batman et Robin disparaissent. Ce qu&rsquo;ils ont cach\u00e9 \u00e0 la presse c&rsquo;est que l&rsquo;agent d&rsquo;Interpol a r\u00e9ussit \u00e0 leur glisser quelques mots avant de mourir. L&rsquo;homme leur a dit qu&rsquo;Hydra pr\u00e9parait un mauvais coup en Asie, o\u00f9 le groupuscule veut d\u00e9clencher une guerre entre deux pays afin de faire plonger le monde dans le chaos. Batman passe d&rsquo;abord par Singapour pour s&rsquo;attaquer aux int\u00e9r\u00eats d&rsquo;Hydra l\u00e0-bas puis retourne en Europe o\u00f9 il s&rsquo;attaque aux diff\u00e9rentes branches pays apr\u00e8s pays. En fait les activit\u00e9s europ\u00e9ennes ne sont qu&rsquo;une diversion tandis que leur objectif r\u00e9el est l&rsquo;Asie. Batman arrive \u00e0 les tromper en agissant tr\u00e8s publiquement en Europe tout en agissant de fa\u00e7on plus discr\u00e8te en Asie. Grace \u00e0 son Batplane, il arrive \u00e0 \u00eatre pr\u00e9sent en alternance sur les deux continents. Du coup, les gens d&rsquo;Hydra s&rsquo;imaginent que leur plan fonctionne. Ils ne se rendent pas compte que Batman est en train de les attaquer sur deux fronts en m\u00eame temps.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Pour ceux d&rsquo;entre vous qui ne conna\u00eetraient tr\u00e8s bien l&rsquo;univers Marvel, Hydra est l&rsquo;organisation ennemie du SHIELD. Respectivement les deux organisations sont un peu comme le SPECTRE et le service de James Bond, int\u00e9gr\u00e9s \u00e0 un univers partag\u00e9 o\u00f9 les super-h\u00e9ros. La Hydra de Marvel a d&rsquo;ailleurs pratiquement la m\u00eame devise que celle de DC: dans le cas des ennemis du SHIELD, il s&rsquo;agit de dire \u00ab\u00a0que quand on coupe un membre d&rsquo;Hydra il en repousse plusieurs\u00a0\u00bb l\u00e0 o\u00f9 la version de DC pr\u00e9f\u00e8re parler de \u00ab\u00a0t\u00eate coup\u00e9e qui repousse\u00a0\u00bb mais la finalit\u00e9 est l\u00e0 m\u00eame. La principale diff\u00e9rence est que la Hydra de Marvel utilise de pr\u00e9f\u00e9rence des uniformes verts et jaunes, l\u00e0 o\u00f9 les adversaires de Batman, eux, op\u00e8rent en civil. Alors quoi ? Le sc\u00e9nariste de DC (dans le cas pr\u00e9sent Bill Finger, le co-cr\u00e9ateur de Batman) se serait mis en t\u00eate de copier Marvel ? Pas vraiment. En fait cet \u00e9pisode de Batman est paru un an avant les d\u00e9buts du SHIELD et d&rsquo;Hydra chez Marvel. S&rsquo;il y en a un qui a copi\u00e9 sur l&rsquo;autre, c&rsquo;est forc\u00e9ment dans l&rsquo;autre sens que les choses ont pu se passer.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"5428\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/www.comicbox.com\/index.php\/articles\/oldies-but-goodies-batman-167-nov-1964\/attachment\/batmanhydrac\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.comicbox.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/07\/batmanhydrac.jpg?fit=275%2C380\" data-orig-size=\"275,380\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"batmanhydrac\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.comicbox.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/07\/batmanhydrac.jpg?fit=275%2C380\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-5428\" style=\"float: right; margin-left: 4px; margin-right: 4px;\" title=\"batmanhydrac\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.comicbox.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/07\/batmanhydrac.jpg?resize=275%2C380\" alt=\"\" width=\"275\" height=\"380\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.comicbox.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/07\/batmanhydrac.jpg?w=275 275w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.comicbox.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/07\/batmanhydrac.jpg?resize=108%2C150 108w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 275px) 100vw, 275px\" \/>Mais sur la notion de copie il faut s&rsquo;entendre: Pourquoi Stan Lee et Jack Kirby auraient-ils pris la peine de singer un groupe interchangeable que DC n&rsquo;a d&rsquo;ailleurs jamais jug\u00e9 utile de ramener par la suite ? Il parait probable que l&rsquo;influence est indirecte. Dans un premier cas de figure on peut penser que Lee et Kirby surveillaient les publications de la concurrence et qu&rsquo;il en est rest\u00e9 quelque chose \u00e0 un niveau inconscient (alors que si la copie avait \u00e9t\u00e9 consciente ils auraient au moins pris la peine de changer le nom du groupe). Mais la seconde solution est encore plus simple: il y a de fortes chances que les deux \u00ab\u00a0hydres\u00a0\u00bb sont en bonne partie bas\u00e9es sur la Piovra (\u00ab\u00a0La Pieuvre\u00a0\u00bb), variante sicilienne de la Mafia (et, par extension, surnom g\u00e9n\u00e9ralis\u00e9 de la Mafia).<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Mais m\u00eame en faisant abstraction du nom commun, il reste des similitudes. Par exemple dans le cas de Batman #167 comme dans Strange Tales #135 (la premi\u00e8re apparition de Hydra fa\u00e7on Marvel), la seule femme pr\u00e9sente fait un rappel visuel bas\u00e9 sur une multiplication des membres faron d\u00e9esse hindoue. Dans le cas de Batman, il s&rsquo;agit d&rsquo;une danseuse (travaillant pour Interpol undercover) qui utilise ses bras comme un s\u00e9maphore pour communiquer avec le h\u00e9ros. Ses bras bougent tellement vite qu&rsquo;elle semble en avoir plus de deux. Dans Strange Tales, le seul agent f\u00e9minin aper\u00e7u se lance dans un effet d&rsquo;optique rituel (avec d&rsquo;autres agents derri\u00e8re elle) qui fait croire qu&rsquo;elle a, elle aussi, de nombreux bras. La Hydra oppos\u00e9e \u00e0 Batman utilise pi\u00e8ge des statues antiques pour s&rsquo;attaquer au h\u00e9ros ? L&rsquo;ennemie du SHIELD en fait de m\u00eame (Strange Tales #151) et d&rsquo;une mani\u00e8re g\u00e9n\u00e9rale la qu\u00eate de Batman chassant Hydra \u00e0 travers le monde \u00e9voque \u00e0 plusieurs \u00e9gards celle de Nick Fury, le leader du SHIELD, aux alentours de Strange Tales #150.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">La diff\u00e9rence majeure vient de la science de Kirby a inventer des gadgets fous, absents de la version de Batman (en dehors des Bat-gadgets habituels). Bref, malgr\u00e9 l&rsquo;absence de costumes verts, Hydra telle que d\u00e9finie par Marvel est apparue un an auparavant chez le concurrent DC. Visiblement Batman a fait tellement peur \u00e0 ces malfrats qu&rsquo;ils ont pr\u00e9f\u00e9r\u00e9 s&rsquo;installer dans un autre univers, o\u00f9 ils sont devenus plus c\u00e9l\u00e8bres&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">[<em>Xavier Fournier<\/em>]\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[FRENCH] L&rsquo;organisation criminelle internationale Hydra vient d&rsquo;abattre un agent d&rsquo;Interpol. 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